Notes from Dr. Borkosky

Interesting to read of your dad’s memories of this crash.

I used to keep a diary, but am not sure if I sill have any from the War years.

From photos I saw of the tangled, shattered wreckage, I can see why a less-informed witness would not be able to identify it correctly. B. Krupp

Good afternoon, Fact or fiction I wonder (again, real life or a film)? I knew Helmut’s daughter and corresponded with her. Where there is a probability of finding live ordance or human remains, permission may not be granted, so it could have been an unauthorised dig. All military aircraft crash sites in the United Kingdom, its territorial waters, or British aircraft in international waters, are controlled by the Protection of Military Remains Act 1986. Simon Parry has been of invaluable assistance to me regarding my own research of aircraft downed in my parish and might be able to shed some more light on the crash although as it did not happen during The Battle of Britain I don’t know whether he has as much information to hand. As a boy I visited the site two days after the event with a schoolfriend and found a small piece of metal with a screw. Shortlisted for ‘Best Rescue of an Industrial Building or Site’ Angel Award in 2012, Michaela Strivens: Upside down world, Wallington, London Suburbs, © Historic England AA94/02958 Roger J C Thomas, Read about our latest aerial investigation methods.

Hi Gerald, there was a German bomber which crashed at Poynings Spring, Saddlescombe on the night of 1 June 1941. The amount of info regarding the career and demise of that 410 pilot makes me wonder if such detail is available about the aircrew of the aircraft in the 3 photos in my ‘German Bombers over England’ book. flying out of RAF Marham on exercises they had just finished doing a practise PAN rolling landing at RAF Binbrook and had been cleared to turn in a southerly direction to return to Marham. This info led to me looking for what happened to the pilot’s body as he is not listed as being buried at Cannock Chase, as you suggest. There is also a map but not much use in identifiying exact locations Apparently the aircraft disintegrated so the debris will have been spread out over a wide area but I suspect the majority of the debris landed in one compact place. Stay in touch. I believe on 23rd Sept 1940 the Luftwaffe sent over 200 ME109’s in the morning, that were intercepted by various Hurricanes & Spitfires. Stanhoe Parish Council Minutes - 9 July 2020, Stanhoe Parish Council Accounts 2019/2020 - Notice of Public Rights. At least one other Luftwaffe pilot, Alfred Hoffman was also buried here in September. He did some investigation in later life and received a copy of a letter form a Keith Hiscock at Essex Aviation Group in 1998, which states they had one of the engines and the propeller reduction gear on display – given to them by Basildon ATC Squadron. Oberfw.

It’d go down well with me! A scene with about 20 men in it, the smouldering wreckage which appears strewn across the field. Gerald.

Maybe I am wrong about Me110, but I distinctly remember the markings, sure of 2 engines (not Ju88) and it looks like it made a fairly successful wheels up landing-crash. Using an old browser means that some parts of our website might not work correctly. (S3282_V_0651), Women outside the 3000th Easiform dwelling to be completed in Bristol, watching the opening ceremony through a ground floor window as a policeman guards the entrance nearby, © Historic England Archive.

Ju 88 shot down by two Hurricanes, resulting in its crash near Winchester, Hants, in Battle of Britain. Hi David, if you can recall the date – or even the year – painted on the crosses, that would help as all Luftwaffe losses are listed in Nigel Parker’s Luftwaffe Crash Archive. good luck in identifying their final resting places. Stanhoe Parish Council Minutes - 17 September 2020. Hi Simon, I will take this conversation onto e-mail you, will drop you a line tonight or tomorrow with what I have. It’s certainly possible. He lists a specific V1 downed in Mountfield on 17/6/44 23.58hrs Southover Estate – Cottage demolished 2 seriously injured 3 lightly. Do you know where I could view pictures of the plane? I’m going to explore the area when the weather improves to see if I can identify the exact spot. Near to Devils Dyke where a Spit also crashed, the pilot successfully baling out. Do you have the year? All the best. My Daughter has Recently moved to a new housing development near to where the old Runwell Hospital in Essex used to be and I’ve been interested in the where a German bomber came down near to where her house is built now.

Your information was spot on!

Hi, I have only just seen this thread, my parents lived at Dunkirk during WW2 and as a child I played on the remains of a shot down plane until I took home some bullets I found which resulted in the site being cleared. Really need the date so that Ian can look at Parker’s Crash Archives. My main research at the moment is Battle of Britain stuff though as you can imagine there’s lots of stories about the time, loads of records of jettisoned bombs especially. Hats off to Ian for making the initial suggestion. I wonder if they were spotted either by an Observer Corps member atop Beachy Head, or by nearby radar, and RAF fighters were on the way, possibly shooting down one of the raiders somewhere adjacent to the church. I live in the USA these days but my hometown was Eastbourne, which got badly damaged by bombing. Gerald.

They looked quite odd, laid out alongside all those ancient, moldering gravestones. It seems unlikely that some schoolgirls would see the pilot bale out and open his parachute and see where the aircraft crashed, at some distance presumably, and make there way first to apprehend the pilot and then to the crash site. St. Fw. Bf110C S9+TH at Smallbridge? Lots of photographs, a couple from this crash, the one I mentioned in the other book of the tailplane guarded by a bobby and observed by a few onlookers and another of a memorial card printed for the family of one of the crew, Uff. Ian. 7/JG3 3+1 Kingsdown Sth of Deal pilot Uff Karl Elbing Don’t suppose you know when in the war it came down? Hi Ian, yes it was a black day for the Luftwaffe and the civilian population. I wish my family had a camera. If that piece of metal was from the 410, it might have been ejected a considerable distance by the explosion. But, the most interesting thing to me is that it seems highly likely that the four (or was it five) graves I saw in Litlington church yard may have been those of Petersen and crew, prior to their remains being sent to Cannock. Wish I had had a camera in those days. Our Register for that long ago is now lodged at The Keep (the County archive). Hi Ian, He told me of a crashed German plane that came down at Swan farm. When we saw those four white crosses we had hiked up through Ratton Woods, then over to Jevington, then to Litlington. my older sister included and I respect there feelings on this. Ray Hill. If he also came from a crash many miles away, that might show Chartham accepted burials from some distance away, thus reinforcing (but not proving beyond doubt) the 4 COULD be from Hampshire.

For example, an RAF Hurricane crashed close by on 9 September 1940, though Polish pilot survived that one. Ian, that section of Ordnance Survey map caused me palpitations! if You want to with a Metal Detector I would like to Do a Few bomb Sites in Essex if you Wish to Take Part One at Runwell Hospital Wickford and A few at Southend.as I Can do with Someone More exp With me. The vineyard is I assume doing fine although I have my doubts about English wine’s future (lots of greedy businessmen out for a quick buck flooding the market) the “magnificent 7” will clean up (Chapel Down, Denbies etc) but I take issue with Rathfinny’s attempt to own and make Sussex wine a PDO (Protected Designation of Origin), a bit like classing wines from Champagne as Champagne as oppose Sparkling from other regions etc. See Blitz Then & Now Volume 1 p315.”. Apologies for not approving your comment earlier; I had planned to look this morning (I am not in work today) and didn’t want to approve your comment without being able to reply with some info for you. This was an RAF Wellington and 3 crewmen bailed out and parachuted safely down. I have a copy of “Blitz over Sussex 1941-42” but cannot find any reference to a German aircraft crashing at Saddlescombe. Schmitter had been decorated with the Knights Cross with Oakleaves. This proports to be from a ME109E shot down on Dunkirk Kent on Monday 23rd Sept 1940. Interestingly-enough, the fifth member of the crew was a Dr. Otto Sommer, who is described on the Web as a politician (i.e member of the Nazi Party). I would like to see the book you mention. Will take a look at what I have in my books, get back to you if I find anything. Further details are available on the gov.uk web site. I was also wondering if the crosses David saw were to PoWs who had died, but unlikely PoWS would have been so close to the south coast. They will also often have social significance to local communities or the families and friends of aircrew. The pilot, Ltn Klaus Conrad, ordered his crew to bail out, and he stayed at the helm and managed to crash land the aircraft on the golf course. that I hope to go along to. They did wonder why Combe,a tiny tiny village had the occasional bomb dropped. My website will show more about Schmitter and his BF. The crash spot is identified as B13 on Map B on Page 9. Went to see it straight away of course and it had done a fine belly landing; its engines were till “ticking” from the heat when I got to it.

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