Notes from Dr. Borkosky

And our sorry to you to hear that when we talked earlier. You can subscribe here or via RSS. But I have no idea that the - how the actual event is going to go.

And the way that I would express that misery was through cynicism and trying to be shocking and trying to be rebellious. And congratulations on your Emmy nomination and all the others that "Watchmen" has received. JEFFERSON: It has a risk of stroke. I was, you know, thrilled that we were putting it in there.

GROSS: Were there any personal experiences you drew on in writing the series?

And you open it by talking about how - and I want to frame this by saying, I think we're all feeling kind of vulnerable now because of the pandemic. But by the time I was 5 or 6, we had moved back to Tucson. GROSS: You know, you've talked about carrying around a lot of anger over the years, and I can only imagine how angry you would be when your own grandfather refused to even meet you... JEFFERSON: Yeah. Sorry, your blog cannot share posts by email. But you've also said in The Washington Post that something that happens a lot when it comes to diversity in Hollywood and everywhere else is that people will just populate the room with people of color or queer people or women, but not really respect those people's voices or pay attention to what they're saying.

Apparently, I think it's going to be somehow, I think, via Zoom. GROSS: No, no. I want to talk with you about some of your personal essays.

And that made me feel like even more of an outsider. He's also written for HBO's "Succession," for "The Good Place," "Master Of None" and Larry Wilmore's "The Nightly Show.". GROSS: ...And, you know, how you're dealing with anxiety and fear while also trying to do your work, how vulnerable you do or don't feel. And so if we're saying that that is somebody in the 1930s, I think the person who would be most likely to not be able to find justice and to have to go outside of the traditional system in order to find the justice that they need would be a Black person.

But outside of whites and Latinos, there isn't a lot of diversity. Related: HBO’s Watchmen and Amazon’s The Expanse Actress Frances Fisher: “They Want A Race War. I was a very, very angry young man in college. JEFFERSON: So a friend said to me that the thing that really made them think that it was all made up when they watched the first episode was the planes firebombing the buildings. GROSS: So I want to start with the Tulsa massacre, which is kind of central to the whole story in this.

By taking her grandfather's Nostalgia, Angela experiences what he lived through. He came into the room on Day 1 and said that he wanted the Tulsa massacre to be part of the show in some way. In 2014, you wrote a piece about your mother and her diagnosis of a type of breast cancer that's very aggressive and very difficult to treat, and I regret to say she died in 2016. This is FRESH AIR.

We'll be right back after a break.

GROSS: You can't have a party. The extended-cut of the Jefferson/Lindelof/Schur conversation, complete with irrational fears, hot (fruit) takes, and the world’s worst throuple will be available later this week. I mean, it's - I was lucky to - I was raised in a home full of love. And so I was kind of a Black kid with a funny name who had, like, a funny back story, that my family had lived overseas.

And "Slaughterhouse Five" is set during World War II and the firebombing of Dresden. The rest, as they say, is history. That idea came to us via Damon Lindelof, the creator of the show. GROSS: You could say it's hard to be shocked by anything in terms of the racist aspect of America's history. The weight of the cord will depend on the type of wood. And he would be part of some white supremacist organization and that he would convince his fellow white supremacists, who were also police officers, to exact some justice on his revenge by threatening Will Reeves the next day with a lynching and that they would cut him down midway and just - it would serve as a warning. GROSS: Well, let's take a short break here.

And he was really moved by the story and wanted to include it somehow in the show. JEFFERSON: Yeah. So how did you celebrate the nomination, and what is the ceremony going to be like? GROSS: This is FRESH AIR.

There is a lot of Latinos there. After we take a short break, we'll remember our longtime language commentator Geoff Nunberg. So there was never shouting matches or anything. And I think that a thing that I had learned from my dad that he and I are talking about a lot nowadays is to not really express your emotions.

So you want to get it right because you don’t want to feel like people are wasting their time working with you, or you don’t want people to lose their jobs because you aren’t doing your job well enough.”, “I think that that I’m a kind of person who I sort of feel that anxiety deeply,” Jefferson said. I go to a whole lot of therapy.

But there was certainly a lot of disagreement and discussion as the months went on. But there's a sort of really haunting - she had a reconciliation with her brother shortly before she died, I would say about two or three years before she was diagnosed, who had sort of - she'd also had a falling out with because of all this turmoil with her dad.

GROSS: Well, I want to get back to very good news, which is that you're nominated for an Emmy for writing an episode of "Watchmen," and the show's nominated for 26 Emmys. I think we’ve made a mistake in attempting this. He wanted to, in fact, get out of the way.

We made Cord Jefferson choose who is the better boss.

Pretty soon, it became clear the two factions weren’t as separate as everyone thought. And then he refused to meet me after I was born.

It felt like you felt that way because you loved what we were doing and you love ‘Watchmen’ so much and you really wanted to make the work as good as it can possibly be.”, “Mike, on the other hand, a thing that I really love about Mike as a boss is that you are the opposite,” Jefferson said.

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