Notes from Dr. Borkosky

Because I love film-making and I love truth… and I absolutely WORSHIP story… I had to also watch Without Limits. “Without Limits” did a much, much better job of capturing the feeling of what it’s like to be in a big race, though, and for a runner like myself, that’s what tips the scales in its favor. His character wasn’t smooth like icing, but what he managed to do, especially on his home field, was awe inspiring. Weird, since the love story in Limits was such a MAJOR part of the story. Back To Index Forum Index. Also, it is understandable when movies change the story line to enhance the drama and widen the appeal of a movie. Nice review and nice handling of angry internet faceless wackos. Take care. It was there in Hawaii that I began to look into the lives of Pre, Shorter, Rodgers, Doc Sheehan and my personal favorite author, Jeff Galloway. WL showed them watching the German broadcast and Pre used what I presume was his bi-lingual capabilities to translate. Clearly the US team would have been in lockdown mode and not able to hang out on balconies. I mean I didn’t say “Wow look at Jordan… Tiger… Earnhardt… Gretzky… McEnroe…” You get the idea… Household names by today’s standards, I’d say, but this was Pre. I run to see who has the most guts, who can punish himself into exhausting pace, and then at the end, punish himself even more.”. :), Cool, thanks for sharing, I need some more trainer material. I cried like a baby. Later, I used to log a lot of miles running on the wood-chip trail dedicated to him, “Pre’s Trail.” I can’t claim that I knew him, but I saw him on campus (vividly remember watching him chug some beer at Duffy’s Tavern) and when he ran at Hayward field during my freshman year, my dorm (Douglass-Walton) faced the track and we literally watched and cheered from our room window. I saw both movies and there was no question the movie Prefonatine I just watched part of "Without Limits" (again!) THE AVENGERS. Thanks and Bravo!

Both movies are good, and it is a close race all the way to the finish line but, for me, I think the race, entertainment wise, is easily won by PREFONTAINE. When it came out in 1997, Prefontaine was seen as a pretty straightforward biopic effort. Looks like I'm going to have to Netflicks both of these, thanks. God, that dude’s anger level was out of control. Who knows? I love that he never "sold out". Report Thread Report Thread . My uncle, who is the age Pre would be, said Pre even ran backwards a bit during a race at my high school back in the day. Perhaps some lawyers told them this would be safer. COMICAL CLOSING NOTE: Although it would have been interesting to see what sideline spectacle Woody Hayes could have done with the roll of Bowerman. over the weekend, as it was playing on some cable station. It is written and directed by Robert Towne and follows the relationship between record-breaking distance runner Steve Prefontaine and his coach Bill Bowerman, who later co-founded Nike, Inc. Billy Crudup plays Prefontaine and Donald Sutherland plays Bowerman. In today’s world of insanely obsessive fantasy sports fanatics, video games where you can assemble “all-time” teams and find more statistics in a weekly sports review than you could possibly know what to do with, Pre would have been a shoe-in for “99% owned”.

I bought a shirt that says, "Stop Pre". I don’t imagine too many people are ever going to watch both of these films so our Smackdown answers a practical question: if you want to see one single film that captures the truth and character of Steve Prefontaine, which one should you see? Because the honest truth is that each version beats the other in a few things and loses in a few others. I got in great shape in no time. Interestingly, Crudup and Leto both have the same hip number in this article’s pic. Likewise, Kenny Moore who was a running colleague of Steve helped with the script. The guy, Sutherland, is all business in the passionate approach to his chosen career, but I have to give the nod to Gunny.

That sort of implies that the films went to the effort of digging that info up. It is probably true that Billy Crudup is better in the role, that Without Limits looks like the slightly more expensive filmmaking effort, and that it was shot on the University of Oregon campus which gives it an even greater sense of accuracy.

I have comments on this :)Watched "Pre" numerous times. And, I don’t say that because I went in agreeing with what you say (although I do;) but because it is so well written, logical and points justified. One of the best I’ve read. But I stuck in the DVD and gave it a try. Not quite as ‘featured’ as you I guess, I was one of the newspaper photographers on the side of the track when we filmed at UPS. Thanks for the review. This started out as a win for Crudup, but settles finally into a tie. Both movies are great. What a thoughtful analysis of your own! It was like a film school assignment to see what different production teams and actors could do with essentially the same source material. That, plus the fact that he has a new StudioCanal produced feature film, “The Last Battle,” shooting this summer in Europe about the end of World War II. I’d call Prefontaine “warm” and Without Limits “cold” versions of the same story. This first film came from writer-director Steve James (Hoop Dreams) and employs the device of the faux-documentary (actors aged up, talking about their relationships with Pre in the past tense) as its framework. Hollywood Directors at DGA Pick Their Top Five Films, Whip It (2009) -vs- Kansas City Bomber (1972), Beau’s Ten Best Films of the Past Ten Years, Get Out (2017) vs. This actually happened on Facebook recently. Trust me, there is only movie worth your time…and only 1 classic that belongs in the DVD collection and that is WITHOUT LIMITS. I've been to his Rock twice and even in broad daylight it is a scary, twisty little road. That kind of comment really deepens our coverage. Most women I know did NOT vote for her, they hate her. I've yet to watch either one. Being my age, Jared Leto is still "Jordan Catalano" from My So-Called Life to me, and therefor hot, so I like to watch him. If you can’t get that right in a running movie, nothing else matters. again as Pre. People in Eugene, Oregon, where Pre ran, probably favor Without Limits which came out in 1998, mostly because the film was shot on location there. Bill stood over Without Limits and consulted with Robert Towne on its content. Re: Without Limits vs. Prefontaine « Reply #15 on: November 03, 2009, 07:34:46 pm » So when is that, Sasha? For this reason, we have decided to take your advice and fold our website. He was, in reality dating the girlfriend shown in Prefontaine when he died. Excruciating. Without Limits . I have a feeling that there is a iTunes download in my future. I don't care for his take on Joker tho, he reminds me of Crispin Glover. One example: The main reason we located production in Washington was because Without Limits bought out Hayward Field for that entire summer to keep us away, even though they only shot there for a couple of weeks. I like both movies, but Pre is the better film in my opinion. I have also read Pre’s biography (great read!!! I pretty much just remind myself of Pre when I'm running. Posting Member Posts: 194. His car overturned and his chest was literally crushed, extinguishing his incredible lung-power forever. Thanks for adding to the overall expertise of this post. Then she was mad at me for not warning her about Pre’s demise. Probably due largely in part to the fact that it was the first one I saw. Own them both and watch them often. To this day when the major track running events are held, plenty of people remember the gutsy runner who owned distance running back in the day, Steve Prefontaine. I think Crudup's more driven and sympathetic portrayal blows away Leto's cocky asshole routine but opinions may vary. Each had strong and weak points. Without Limits had a very contrived feel to it. CELLULOID HEROES: As far as the movies go, Pre fans would agree that the desire to cut and splice the films is high. I hope you’ll become a regular reader/commenter at Smackdown. In Without Limits, you understand this happened after taking his friend Frank Shorter home. Sorry I’ve taken so long to get back here and answer your question!

My mother retains the scrapbook of newspaper clippings she and I assembled over the years of his exploits. Go Pre!, we yelled, and we all thought we knew him. I just watched Without Limits today and am still confused about something. I also visited Pre's Rock where his accident occured. Walken is always Walken, etc. Prefontaine was inspired from recollections of Oregon track coach Bill Dellinger and Pre’s last girlfriend, Nancy Alleman. There are still many shoes, race medals, and candles that are placed there every day by people. Which is crazy because that’s hardly what their film is about. I however must profess that I am your exact opposite with respect to Steve Prefontaine! May 12 2018 8:02 pm . People would be very judgmental about that (and it certainly creeps into my thinking about the role alcohol may have played) and I’m not sure how it would have been handled.

I hate the way the facts are changed for ratings. I remember working at a local TV station as an intern at the time of his death and getting the call in the KVAL newsroom. I enjoyed both.The fish in the tank is known as a black shark but actually a type of catfish. Deep Impact (1998) -vs- Armageddon (1998), Without Limits (1998) -vs- Prefontaine (1997), The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2011) -vs- The Girl with the Dragon Tattoo (2009), Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows (2011) -vs- The Lord of the Rings: The Return of the King (2003), The Walking Dead (AMC) vs. July 14, 2007 I was lookign at Adam's comment. I'm gonna have to see if my local library has them! If I remember from the book “Pre” the final meet at Oregon track was the restorative meet to save the track. So either way both movies are inspirational. Perhaps this is important only to people such as myself, who were living the story over the years, but it makes quite the impact to know that we are actually on the UofO track, actually at Bowerman’s house, actually on the road where Pre died. Leto was awful, I didn’t believe his performance for a second. Neither one is fully accurate. They had me then they lost me. They get large and swollow anything that gets close to their mouth, including other fish in the tank. If I managed to get a trophy or medal here or there, well it was humbly appreciated, but not expected. Bryce Zabel ), and have the Nike documentary “Fire on the Track” (AWESOME!!!!) Without Limits. Getting a bit burned out I turned to triathlon and a move to Hawaii two years later. Pre’s pushed him to run like no one else. Prefontaine wins. Maybe that’s why they made two. Drawing inspiration from career experiences as a CNN correspondent, TV Academy chairman, creator of five produced primetime network TV series, and fast-food frycook, Bryce is the Editor-in-Chief of "Movie Smackdown." If I had not read this article I would not have known the film was shot outside Eugene. My trains are all HO. Crudup's version also has Donald Sutherland as the coach while Leto has R. Lee Ermey and the dad from Married With Children. We should not even be allowed to attend films in theaters, much less write about them!

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